THOSE people are back. The people that think they have a right to dictate what adults can create, market or pay for in a fictional work.
I'll be honest: no offense to Zerat, but I'd never buy this game normally. Not because it offends me in any way, but just because it appears to be yet another "pose some models and crank out a VN" game, of which there are hundreds on Itch, none very impressive. But now I am buying, and paying double.
Fuck whiny pieces of shit that think they should dictate how adults relate to creative expression, in games or otherwise. I hope Zerat buys a yacht with the money he makes off this "controversy". Hatred made FAR more than it ever would have without the fake angst around it. I have no doubt this will be the same. These people never learn.
Edit: It appears at least one download source has already been burned through due to demand (secondary one is working as of posting this). Yeah, as long as Itch doesn't pussy out like Steam, this attempt at muzzling creative freedom may be the best thing that ever happened to Zerat.
I think that if you take a close look at the game you have purchased you will be pleasantly surprised. The high quality visuals are often used to convey thought and inner struggle through facial expressions interwoven with dialogue and actions. All while trying to keep this playable on a 12 year old laptop is not easy. While the game never steps away from being an AVN, I believe you will find it a superior one.
I fully support creative freedom and, above all, individual freedom. These censors are nothing but bitter scum who think they have the right to cut off people's freedoms just because something offends them. I will always stand for freedom, even if I don’t personally agree with the content. Because creative freedom is about accepting and respecting the right of others to create, regardless of your personal taste. That’s the foundation of any truly free society.
These people see themselves as the Morality Police, dictating what can and cannot be said, read, or created. And they do this because that’s exactly what they are: fascists disguised as virtue, obsessed with forcing their worldview through censorship and prohibition. They're not protecting anyone — they’re trying to control everything.
All my support goes to those who defend creative freedom, no matter who it bothers. Everyone has the right to express themselves.
I can imagine these people would ban books like Fifty Shades of Grey, censor paintings like Goya’s The Nude Maja, and burn anything that doesn’t align with their narrow vision of the world. They accept no form of freedom if it dares to offend them. They think they’re the masters of the planet, armed with a ridiculous sense of moral superiority over what is and isn’t acceptable.
hi, not my 1st time downloading games on itch.io but i created an account just so i could leave a message here too.
i'm nonbinary & neutral/fem presenting. but besides online ppl, a few irls & one family member, no one knows. so i'm living my life as a woman in society.
AND most importantly, i'm a child sexual assault and rape survivor.
AND i have many sexual fantasies/kinks that aren't conventional. domination (whether i'm the one dominated or not) & rape are part of them. YET i would NEVER act on them because some are just morally WRONG and i'm well aware of that. they're only FANTASIES i don't wish to reproduce irl. i know from first-hand experience how much these things can break you.
that trauma changed me forever, maybe i wouldn't have liked such content without it, maybe i still would have. that's not important: at the end of the day, watching/reading/playing/writing fictional content that includes those kinks allows me to : - accept my sexuality & learn more about it - HEAL myself by gaining CONTROL over my trauma.
there are HUNDREDS scientific studies proving that having kinks & paraphilias isn't a bad thing (whether you went through sexual trauma OR NOT), and that fictional content is a safe way to experience them (and regain control if you've been a victim). my therapist confirmed that. but people are craving validation, and act self-righteous online.
my stance on this is that people can enjoy fictional content like this even if they haven't been victims as long as they don't hurt anyone. which is more often than not the case.
the era we're living in right now is downright scary — fascism is knocking at our doors, but many people who claim to be anti-fascist and so on still don't recognize how it manifests. they don't or refuse to understand that supporting the censorship of fictional AND unrelated-to-real-events content is actually right-wing & fascist. one honest look at recent history would be enough to understand that, but people are not ready to have an actual conversation on sexual abuse/rape, and overall, sexuality.
i didn't even know about this game before i saw a tweet about it today, and i'm not supposed to spend any more money for the month (as in, i'm in trouble lol), but i really wanted to show my support & was scared the game would eventually disappear from everywhere. so i bought it. these people really don't understand the PR they're doing, even if it's """bad""" LOL.
sorry for the long-ass message, but i'm just sick of it. puritan culture has also taken over fandoms lately, and it scares me.
I just read this, and I hope you're doing great now. What happened to you is HORRIBLE and I wish you the best in everything. There are people who get offended when I say this but May God Bless you, always stay safe and healthy, as well as I hope you remember that the sun shines everyday and we must too as well remember to shine.
hi, thank you so much for this sweet message. i really didn't expect any answers tbh. i'm doing MUCH better than i did years ago, thank you ♡ be blessed, stay safe & healthy too. i really appreciate it :)
You're blaming the whole discourse against this game into right wing conservationist parties while acting as an ally of those who defend it.
Uh, we are not left wing. We are not right wing. We come from different places. We are not defending the game in the name of a political party. We are against censorship and immature thinking. Both left moralists and right traditionalists are to blame in these matters. In the case of this game, it's the left wing moralist that seem to be more triggered, since the news the game made became viral in social activists groups and woke gaming outlets.
you didn't understand my post and took it personally, using a "we" i struggle to really understand...
"woke gaming outlets" yeah, i won't reply further lol.
believe what you want, i don't care. there is a specific historical reason i mentioned politics and if you can't see it and got triggered instead — that's on you, not me ♡
I read your story and how you are a victim of rape but you didn't argument why you blame right wing politics with the censorship of games like this. I read your story and there's no connection between the 2 things. You seem to think censorship comes from fascism, and you think fascism is inherently right wing. Is that it? I think you're making assumptions about the nature of those against this game. Again, those against this game come from feminists subreddits and woke gaming outlets. Last I knew woke and right wing are enemies. How's your statement making sense?
For example I knew about the virality of this game through a gender awareness subreddit called r/TwoXChromosomes and read here about people coming from Kotaku and other woke outlet I forgot the name of. It has a "V".
trust me, a lot of lgtbq+ folks born before 00's are actually pro-kinks because they experienced first hand the consequences of censorship. it's the new generation that's ruining things and using serious, activists' term to berate everything they simply don't like. the other older lgbtq+ who are partaking in this are just looking for clout. we're normal lmao.
a lot of us won't express our thoughts about kinks in public spaces though because the consequences can be very serious. online, we can get doxxed and so on because of that. i've been called a "pick me" or a "liar" from supposed "anti-fascists" lgbtq+ people simply because i'm pro-fiction lol.
im sure my comment will get me in trouble with a...certain person in these comments (lol) but i just wanna go on the record and say im a woman with a cnc fetish, i enjoy being dominated, and i also enjoy fantasizing about me dominating other women too. but i did say FANTASIZE, not ACTUALLY RAPE. no, i do not want to be actually raped, no, i do not want to rape anyone else either. but i absolutely enjoy being pinned down by my husband and having my clothes ripped off me and...well, we all know the rest lol. i just don't see why it's an issue. (oh and before that person says its because i cant understand rape survivors, i can. i am one. so don't even TRY to invalidate me about that.) anyway, i have never ever had the urge to actually rape someone even though i enjoy the content. like, it being fake is the only reason i can enjoy it! that's why i like CONSENSUAL nc and why these games are FAKE TOO. now, i can play devils advocate. i'm sure there are some sick fucks out there who are actual rapists and like rape content. but then where do we draw the line? there's troves of cnc content out there, it's for 18+, and that's that. if someone younger than 18 gets their hands on some porn then that's just life, it's very hard to censor things like that without full on banning it and then we have a bigger issue lol. and then what about other media? the other day my husband and i watched a clockwork orange, and it has 2 rape scenes, both pretty graphic imo. one of them made me physically ill despite my kink and yet, any 10 year old can watch that movie easily? what about game of thrones? it has a rating for ADULTS, and its full of rape, murder, incest, etc, but thats ok? what about when 10 year old little degenerate me was playing dress up games online just to make the girls naked and stare at their boobs? do we need to censor dress up games too? or did my mother actually be a mother and parent her child? anyway, sorry for the rant, i just wanted to add a different perspective as a woman who plays avns and is into cnc :)
I would love to hear your opinion on the psychology present in the AVN. The interweaving presentation between what is said, thought, facial expressions, and actually done. Especially the inner struggle of the women between morality and masochistic desire.
I'm not usually that interested in VNs (they bore me), but with the censorship and concerntrolling going on, man, you couldn't have asked for a better ad campaign, huh? I'm tempted to get it just to stick it to the karens.
These hypocritical leftist countries won't ban or restrict Roblox, VRChat or Minecraft despite those games kids ACTUALLY get groomed and abused through the chat features of. VRChat can get downloaded by kids on Steam and no BBC articles. Not fictional characters... actual abuse... just something for you to ponder.
NYC Garbage Cubes by Justin Gignac, Piss Christ by Andres Serrano, Artist's Shit by Piero Manzoni, And for Today...Nothing by Stuart Brisley, My Bed by Tracey Emin and Venus de Milo out of Excrement by Zhu Cheng, I could keep going. My point is, there is no definition of art.
Is this art? Fuck if I know and that's the point. Are tampon earrings art? To me, no but am I going to tell the feminist at Rice University they can't wear them? No, I'm not. You wanna know why? Because who the hell am I? Who am I to tell someone what they can and can't buy with their money? What makes me so important that I can impose my view on someone else?
This doesn't hurt anyone any more than a Lifetime Movie hurts me. I know it is absolutely horrible. It makes a mockery of an art/skill that people have labored over for decades. I'm not talking about the game; I'm talking about Lifetime Movies. That's why I DON'T FUCKING WATCH THEM!
Have I played the game? Nope. Did I give money? Yep. Just because the same media that never said anything about Epstien or Cosby and the same people that voted for a President that was declared liable for battery and defamation (reminder that battery includes: rape, sexual abuse, forcible touching) and the same churches that hid and condoned years of child sexual abuse should not be the preponderant influence of ethics anymore.
Wow. That was a bit of a tirade huh? Welp, any who-sie whats-it. I'll talk to you guys later. Peace
I came across this game because of a TikTok ranting about the"sick" content. First of all, I'm a grown ass woman and if your kid found a way to purchase and play this game, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM! Second of all, I'm pretty sure your father/brother/boyfriend/husband have watched some "interesting" porn (to put it that way) in ther lifetimes, and I'm sure they are still great people and didn't turn into predators or creeps. Right? This is a GAME, as in, it is NOT real. It's supposed to be entertaining and fun because it's fiction. Why are women such hypocrites? It's okay to be on booktok and read about rape and monsters almost breaking you in two with ther ginormous dicks, but this game for ADULTS is crossing the line? Okay.
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This is my account, and the comment above is my wife's. She's awesome and I love her. Fuck censorship, wokeness and cancel culture, we don't need that in video games.
After reading many comments ive learned that these are kinks and fantasies being played out. While this causes degeneracy in society overall.....Why is there not age group restrictions? Is there a way to ensure an adult can only access the game?
I think so. Have CHILDREN register as children so that the disney and saccharine peddlers can sell to an exclusive demographic, into which the intrusion of adults or adult content will be noticeable. That doesn't happen because parents don't want to take the time to register their child... they'd
have every single other person in the world look after their children... and be treated like children..
This game allows those into multiple mainstream kinks (CNC, Pred/Prey, Deg, etc.) a way to explore them safely in a controlled environment and see if those are kinks we want to pursue with a partner. There are books that go way, WAY. farther or "worse" that are unbelievably popular such as Anne Rice's trilogy The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty (fantastic read btw). The banning and attack of this game is an absolute travesty as far as I'm concerned. How in a world where actually detrimental books like 50 Shades becomes best sellers and content like this gets banned is thankfully, beyond my reasoning. Good on ZeratGames for having the integrity to weather the backlash against this game and continue with it. Well done!
Instantly bought this game when I heard about what was going on. I love supporting artists who aren't afraid to explore dark ideas and fantasies. Men need to stop apologizing for being men and having natural desires and fantasies. I hope that you don't let the cancel culture vultures stop you from continuing to make games. You're very talented and will always have a fanbase who will support you in whatever you choose to do. Great work man, hope you are being kind to yourself during all this bullshit.
Just created this account to buy this game. Books like this exist with detailed descriptions so why not just make a 3D game about it... same thing. Just the one is read by a specific gender, so it's ok....
Literally don't own a platform to play this game. I read an article that refused to name the game or dev saying it had been banned off steam
On pure principle that the establishment wants this game gone, I don't. Just because people are trying to hit this game with cancel culture I've gone and paid for it. I'm voting with my wallet against censorship while simultaneously supporting a dev team.
I'm also providing links in the comments of any article refusing to name the game by name
For each negative comment in response to this one I will buy the game again
As a woman same, because there is other dark smut shit like boyfriend to death and yet the only shittalk there in that community is the accountability of the creator OUTSIDE the game.
I add extra $10 for the purchase! I support u bro. Those sensitive bastard who can't separate game from reality I would say those guys are the ones that society should be more concern in the real world. Porn or hentai like rape genre is exist since the dawn of internet existence. These fuckers never try to comprehend that it's not the game fault and always try to be a classic but pathetic SJW.
Wanted to let you know that I legit bought the game just because I heard about the awful situation you found yourself in. It's absolutely nuts how people will cry and flail over fictional content yet look the other way at real-world issues. Stay strong and don't let the haters win.
As a owner of the game on steam you shouldnt listen to the cancel crowd. Its just a work of fiction like many others. Removing the game from steam just because random complains from wokies/lefties who dont even care about the real state of their countries is a very bad precedent for gaming.
yea its all fiction until a child with unsupervised internet access thinks its okay to do all the things in this game and becomes an offender. like do you HEAR yourself. you're the type of person to say "Cookie Powers" is okay if its anime like you should actually Bungee jump without safety.
Well, why not just implement an ID verification code in which you can enable at your local DMV, a one time code that is inaccessible through other PC's? Easy solution, right?
Great job showing us how illogical you are. With that thought process- we should be banning every sort of media,book,movies,series that includes dark themes because terrible parents are incapable of doing their job. The game is rated 18+ for a reason.
It’s not the developers responsibility to cater their content for kids whose parents don’t watch them. It’s a porn game obviously meant for adults so why is this not okay to be on steam but alllll of the other ones are perfectly fine?
We do care about the condition and state of our countries and the rampant pornography industry we condemn it. It is going to be the downfall of society and games like this further the agenda.
I have two dozen hours in the game and have finished the love ending. I am continuing to follow the other storylines. I believe the subtleties in the story and psychology are lost on most, but not on all. It is a rarity to find those things.
I ask that you finish patch 1.1 Looking forward to it. Maybe more?
Haters gonna hate. Ignore them. Put it back up for sale and it will sell.
I don't think people know about them and they would condemn those games as well. Trying to understand the psyche that is into this kind of stuff. Why would you want to assault women for fun?... I can't wrap my head around who wants to do this and why.
Stay Strong Zerat and never ever bend to woke mobs on social media. They are Karens, Betas and the same people who support puberty blockers and chemical castration on kids. Your making a adult game. You have support and you should not stop to appease some deranged mob. Don't fold. If we don't want it then we wont buy it its that simple. Compared to the Japanese this is tame. They don't like it because its a power fantasy that is for males, yet they applaud and cheer for power fantasy of females where men get abused and humiliated (Femdom) yet not a peep.
While I disagree with all the negative bullshit that got the game banned in 3 countries, I am disappointed I paid for it.
There are plenty of games that have all the same fetishes' as this one. Lots of them. I am a harem builder fan. So I generally like games that contain all the hardcore fetishes. But the premise behind this one just plain dumb. The reasoning behind the MC's sudden transformation into a douchebag doesn't make any sense at all. It's like it was written by a 16 year old. The story is just terrible. And the dialogue is elementary.
Good examples of AVNs containing the same elements, and were actually good are Desert Stalker, The Headmaster, Brightlord, or even 3001: A Sex Odyssey is better.
I don't think that the cheating of the mother actually "transformed" the MC. He is a drugdealer and not the nice guy from next door. I think he always had this unhealthy desire for his stepmom/mom whatever and he uses her cheating as an excuse for himself to defend his actions. It is pretty clear that he is a bit crazy and if you read carefully you will see that often reflected in his inner monologue. There's one thing the game does really well: showing that what the MC thinks, the mother/stepmother actually is thinking/feeling and how they act is not always the same.
Don't listen to these self virtue morons. You haven't done anything wrong. You have made a adult game and woke authoritarians are trying to dictate what you can and can't do. You will never please these people. They are just unhappy people that need to fill a void and the rest clap like seals to be relevant.
It's a game. This stuff will exist either way, why do you care what a fictional game has if nobody is being hurt in real life? Do something productive instead of farting over some else and what they make with their skills.
Very true. The problem is they aren't productive or creative so they grow bitter and resentful and they hide it behind their woke shield of virtue to mask it.
By your very definition religion should be banned too , how many adults and children have been raped and murdered over the last 200 years? and yet you are ok with that.
the irony that I was on the fence on buying this game until it was pulled from STEAM. The streisand effect in full effect. Fantasy is not reality. Don't police people's fetishes when they harm literally no-one.
Please, return the game to steam and other stores like GOG.
What you're doing in not illegal, therefore there's no need to fear anyone. These fucking Karens were screeching over the stupidest thing. Even Peach and Samus were too much for them. And now we can't have shit. Everything is boring and sterile. Their only goal is to see men miserable.
Your removal of the game will only fuel those harpies to attack even more developers. And even you will not be able to develop the games you want.
Please put the game back in stores and just ignore people on social media and ban them. I'm never into this type of games but I'll happily support you and even buy copies for my friends.
I know it could be rough on you mentally, but know that these harpies will not stop at this if you give up. They will try to ruin you life if you show the smallest sign of weakness. And know that your fellowman are here to support you.
Just like rock encouraged rebellion and communism? Just like metal encouraged violence and satanism? Just like violent videogames encourage violent actions? Just like anime encourages reducing women to sex pets and pedofilia? Come on, what will be your excuse with those examples?
To be honest, as a European I'm tired of these American/Anglosphere moral panics. From bear to books, from violence to sensuality, from Metal music to Pokémon. And now this. I wished other European countries had more ball to create what they wanted without being so fucking cowards about it.
Even CDPR is now removing parts of the first Witcher game because Karen Americans think it's sexist.
Initially, I had no interest in this game when it first came out to that OTHER gaming platform. But after seeing the controversy before I went to work this morning and learning it was pulled from Steam after I got home, I just had to see if it was on itch. Glad I thought of it. I'm just buying it to give the middle finger to European pro censorship Karens and soy guzzling Redditors (like the ones whining on r/PCGaming) Streisand Effect is 100% real. Congrats, wokies.
The mere fact you mention something that doesn't exist tells me all i need to know, when you realise you have been lied to all your life then you may come to your senses and mind your damn business.
You certainly lack any sense of logic or reason, or perhaps you're just insufferably ignorant. Can't you see how a work of fiction comes from a human mind, and not from reality? I don't think you understand this.
The human mind is capable of dreaming. Have you tried? Sometimes dreams look like nightmares. Good and bad dreams, potentially are both unforgettable and full of emotions. Do my nightmares make me a villain towards society? No.
What makes you a villain, an anti social, is to harm society. Do visual novel readers harm society? You seem to think so. Does your perception of Visual Novelist mindset follow a logical background? Your answer would be funded in ignorance of the human nature, I bet. What is the train of thoughts that brings the players to the streets to start raping women and be misogynistic? I bet you have no idea how people think.
The human thinks with reason because we are half animals, and the animal kingdom, as all others in nature, follow the laws of nature, and all the laws of nature follow reason; nothing is without purpose in nature, everything has its place, everything is logical and balanced.
So, tell me. How is this visual novel negatively impacting society? I expect a reply with no logic backing it.
Something I learned through the years is that what's truly dangerous to society is ignorance, poor education.
You know one big element of ignorance of the human nature in society? Censorship. People have a hard time exploring their nature because the arts exploring it get censored or shamed as immoral.
Morality is the excuse for censorship of the people in power to create fear and control over the ignorant cattle.
"Disgusting" he says, as he looks down to the immoral individuals. Your feeling of empowerment is an illusion. You're a tool.
And yet instead of crusading for your virtue and self congratulation and actually doing something in the real world your instead popping online to tell everyone how amazing and righteous you are by reporting a game that is adult, (But not other adult games like GTA 5, Desert Stalker, Hatred all which have slavery, mass murder , incest and domination sex) but no I must let everyone know how virtuous I am . LOL what a loser.
Hey could you try selling your game on GOG? I wanna test how unbiased they are. I'm serious. If they end up publishing it, then GOG should really get a medal or something for being so legit in their crusade to preserve games as the art medium we consider it. They are currently selling various games that Steam rejected or devs decided to pull out from there. Adults games too.
I hate censorship and the moralists that don't understand human nature nor reason. Sadly I can't support you because I don't like Daz3d VNs. If it was drawn I would totally support your work.
I understand your point. I used to think their ESG policies would rule their standards for what games to host. I'm not 100% sure.
From GOG I read a VN called "Slippery Richar He's Taller than my Husband" (fake western name) which is all about blackmail extortion ntr sex and racist premises of black men as sex beasts in the eye of japanese people, and also racist notions from western people toward japanese people as sexually incompetent at a cultural and physiological level.
So I think maybe GOG has some hope of still be defending freedom of expression, but I must also note that this VN was published in GOG 3 years ago, and maybe things changed. Still, the game is being sold there to this day.
In any case I'm not sure of GOG stance which I why I wished for this dev to try selling it there. Maybe telling us how did it go after.
Long time GOGer here and unfortunately I will have to agree, GOG even refused to sell the uncensored version of "Nie No Hakoniwa - Dollhouse of offerings" even though it has been offered to them. They also refuse to host the announced uncensor patch for Tokyo Clanpool and many anime games on GOG are censored and require offsite patches.GOG simply does not have the backbone to accept this game.
Among those I already mentioned: Huniepop, Kirakira Stars Idol Project (all three games are mosaic'd on GOG but not on Itch.io, Denpasoft, JAST USA, Fakku, MangaGamer or Nutaku), Seed of the Dead 2: Home, Paranoid. Some adult games on GOG are missing the unrated patch completely and in some cases the unrated patch will just give you the mosaic'd version. Take a look at the vndb you will probably find even more.
have this saved to play one day then saw it on steam early this week and then kotaku said it got removed from steam cause of the rp and violence like tons of games on steam dont have one or both all the avn's this is the first one ive seen happen
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I'm drowning in VN's to finish but had to show up and support my gaming hobbies. Stand tall Stand strong
Based.
THOSE people are back. The people that think they have a right to dictate what adults can create, market or pay for in a fictional work.
I'll be honest: no offense to Zerat, but I'd never buy this game normally. Not because it offends me in any way, but just because it appears to be yet another "pose some models and crank out a VN" game, of which there are hundreds on Itch, none very impressive. But now I am buying, and paying double.
Fuck whiny pieces of shit that think they should dictate how adults relate to creative expression, in games or otherwise. I hope Zerat buys a yacht with the money he makes off this "controversy". Hatred made FAR more than it ever would have without the fake angst around it. I have no doubt this will be the same. These people never learn.
Edit: It appears at least one download source has already been burned through due to demand (secondary one is working as of posting this). Yeah, as long as Itch doesn't pussy out like Steam, this attempt at muzzling creative freedom may be the best thing that ever happened to Zerat.
I think that if you take a close look at the game you have purchased you will be pleasantly surprised. The high quality visuals are often used to convey thought and inner struggle through facial expressions interwoven with dialogue and actions. All while trying to keep this playable on a 12 year old laptop is not easy. While the game never steps away from being an AVN, I believe you will find it a superior one.
I fully support creative freedom and, above all, individual freedom. These censors are nothing but bitter scum who think they have the right to cut off people's freedoms just because something offends them. I will always stand for freedom, even if I don’t personally agree with the content. Because creative freedom is about accepting and respecting the right of others to create, regardless of your personal taste. That’s the foundation of any truly free society.
These people see themselves as the Morality Police, dictating what can and cannot be said, read, or created. And they do this because that’s exactly what they are: fascists disguised as virtue, obsessed with forcing their worldview through censorship and prohibition. They're not protecting anyone — they’re trying to control everything.
All my support goes to those who defend creative freedom, no matter who it bothers. Everyone has the right to express themselves.
I can imagine these people would ban books like Fifty Shades of Grey, censor paintings like Goya’s The Nude Maja, and burn anything that doesn’t align with their narrow vision of the world. They accept no form of freedom if it dares to offend them. They think they’re the masters of the planet, armed with a ridiculous sense of moral superiority over what is and isn’t acceptable.
hi, not my 1st time downloading games on itch.io but i created an account just so i could leave a message here too.
i'm nonbinary & neutral/fem presenting. but besides online ppl, a few irls & one family member, no one knows. so i'm living my life as a woman in society.
AND most importantly, i'm a child sexual assault and rape survivor.
AND i have many sexual fantasies/kinks that aren't conventional. domination (whether i'm the one dominated or not) & rape are part of them. YET i would NEVER act on them because some are just morally WRONG and i'm well aware of that. they're only FANTASIES i don't wish to reproduce irl. i know from first-hand experience how much these things can break you.
that trauma changed me forever, maybe i wouldn't have liked such content without it, maybe i still would have. that's not important: at the end of the day, watching/reading/playing/writing fictional content that includes those kinks allows me to :
- accept my sexuality & learn more about it
- HEAL myself by gaining CONTROL over my trauma.
there are HUNDREDS scientific studies proving that having kinks & paraphilias isn't a bad thing (whether you went through sexual trauma OR NOT), and that fictional content is a safe way to experience them (and regain control if you've been a victim). my therapist confirmed that. but people are craving validation, and act self-righteous online.
my stance on this is that people can enjoy fictional content like this even if they haven't been victims as long as they don't hurt anyone. which is more often than not the case.
the era we're living in right now is downright scary — fascism is knocking at our doors, but many people who claim to be anti-fascist and so on still don't recognize how it manifests. they don't or refuse to understand that supporting the censorship of fictional AND unrelated-to-real-events content is actually right-wing & fascist. one honest look at recent history would be enough to understand that, but people are not ready to have an actual conversation on sexual abuse/rape, and overall, sexuality.
i didn't even know about this game before i saw a tweet about it today, and i'm not supposed to spend any more money for the month (as in, i'm in trouble lol), but i really wanted to show my support & was scared the game would eventually disappear from everywhere. so i bought it. these people really don't understand the PR they're doing, even if it's """bad""" LOL.
sorry for the long-ass message, but i'm just sick of it. puritan culture has also taken over fandoms lately, and it scares me.
you have my support :)
I just read this, and I hope you're doing great now. What happened to you is HORRIBLE and I wish you the best in everything. There are people who get offended when I say this but May God Bless you, always stay safe and healthy, as well as I hope you remember that the sun shines everyday and we must too as well remember to shine.
hi, thank you so much for this sweet message. i really didn't expect any answers tbh. i'm doing MUCH better than i did years ago, thank you ♡ be blessed, stay safe & healthy too. i really appreciate it :)
You're blaming the whole discourse against this game into right wing conservationist parties while acting as an ally of those who defend it.
Uh, we are not left wing. We are not right wing. We come from different places. We are not defending the game in the name of a political party. We are against censorship and immature thinking. Both left moralists and right traditionalists are to blame in these matters. In the case of this game, it's the left wing moralist that seem to be more triggered, since the news the game made became viral in social activists groups and woke gaming outlets.
you didn't understand my post and took it personally, using a "we" i struggle to really understand...
"woke gaming outlets" yeah, i won't reply further lol.
believe what you want, i don't care. there is a specific historical reason i mentioned politics and if you can't see it and got triggered instead — that's on you, not me ♡
I read your story and how you are a victim of rape but you didn't argument why you blame right wing politics with the censorship of games like this. I read your story and there's no connection between the 2 things. You seem to think censorship comes from fascism, and you think fascism is inherently right wing. Is that it? I think you're making assumptions about the nature of those against this game. Again, those against this game come from feminists subreddits and woke gaming outlets. Last I knew woke and right wing are enemies. How's your statement making sense?
For example I knew about the virality of this game through a gender awareness subreddit called r/TwoXChromosomes and read here about people coming from Kotaku and other woke outlet I forgot the name of. It has a "V".
Facts
hope you are doing okay man i only wish more of the gender alphabet people were like you just chill and normal
thank you, i'm doing okay now ♡
trust me, a lot of lgtbq+ folks born before 00's are actually pro-kinks because they experienced first hand the consequences of censorship. it's the new generation that's ruining things and using serious, activists' term to berate everything they simply don't like. the other older lgbtq+ who are partaking in this are just looking for clout. we're normal lmao.
a lot of us won't express our thoughts about kinks in public spaces though because the consequences can be very serious. online, we can get doxxed and so on because of that. i've been called a "pick me" or a "liar" from supposed "anti-fascists" lgbtq+ people simply because i'm pro-fiction lol.
This video game is fiction. Let's be adults.
I want to suport u but i want to know if u will let those cursed people win or not..
I dont want to buy a game that the developer give up i want to fight with u against those people and i will support u but pls tell us something
im sure my comment will get me in trouble with a...certain person in these comments (lol) but i just wanna go on the record and say im a woman with a cnc fetish, i enjoy being dominated, and i also enjoy fantasizing about me dominating other women too. but i did say FANTASIZE, not ACTUALLY RAPE. no, i do not want to be actually raped, no, i do not want to rape anyone else either. but i absolutely enjoy being pinned down by my husband and having my clothes ripped off me and...well, we all know the rest lol. i just don't see why it's an issue. (oh and before that person says its because i cant understand rape survivors, i can. i am one. so don't even TRY to invalidate me about that.) anyway, i have never ever had the urge to actually rape someone even though i enjoy the content. like, it being fake is the only reason i can enjoy it! that's why i like CONSENSUAL nc and why these games are FAKE TOO. now, i can play devils advocate. i'm sure there are some sick fucks out there who are actual rapists and like rape content. but then where do we draw the line? there's troves of cnc content out there, it's for 18+, and that's that. if someone younger than 18 gets their hands on some porn then that's just life, it's very hard to censor things like that without full on banning it and then we have a bigger issue lol. and then what about other media? the other day my husband and i watched a clockwork orange, and it has 2 rape scenes, both pretty graphic imo. one of them made me physically ill despite my kink and yet, any 10 year old can watch that movie easily? what about game of thrones? it has a rating for ADULTS, and its full of rape, murder, incest, etc, but thats ok? what about when 10 year old little degenerate me was playing dress up games online just to make the girls naked and stare at their boobs? do we need to censor dress up games too? or did my mother actually be a mother and parent her child? anyway, sorry for the rant, i just wanted to add a different perspective as a woman who plays avns and is into cnc :)
excellent post.
I would love to hear your opinion on the psychology present in the AVN. The interweaving presentation between what is said, thought, facial expressions, and actually done. Especially the inner struggle of the women between morality and masochistic desire.
Hello, I just bought the game but the download doesnt work, does anyone know anything
Take a look at the download page. There are several mirrors. Try each of them.
I'm not usually that interested in VNs (they bore me), but with the censorship and concerntrolling going on, man, you couldn't have asked for a better ad campaign, huh? I'm tempted to get it just to stick it to the karens.
Tried to buy again via PP keeps giving me an error, If i am unable to buy again, is there a way to get the updates ? ( i have it on steam )
These hypocritical leftist countries won't ban or restrict Roblox, VRChat or Minecraft despite those games kids ACTUALLY get groomed and abused through the chat features of. VRChat can get downloaded by kids on Steam and no BBC articles. Not fictional characters... actual abuse... just something for you to ponder.
"Bad people existing and sometimes using minecraft is the exact same thing as a game about brutal rape!" You're actually mentally retarded, Holy shit
The game that involves and has risks for real children vs a vile 1 player game with fictional characters.
NYC Garbage Cubes by Justin Gignac, Piss Christ by Andres Serrano, Artist's Shit by Piero Manzoni, And for Today...Nothing by Stuart Brisley, My Bed by Tracey Emin and Venus de Milo out of Excrement by Zhu Cheng, I could keep going. My point is, there is no definition of art.
Is this art? Fuck if I know and that's the point. Are tampon earrings art? To me, no but am I going to tell the feminist at Rice University they can't wear them? No, I'm not. You wanna know why? Because who the hell am I? Who am I to tell someone what they can and can't buy with their money? What makes me so important that I can impose my view on someone else?
This doesn't hurt anyone any more than a Lifetime Movie hurts me. I know it is absolutely horrible. It makes a mockery of an art/skill that people have labored over for decades. I'm not talking about the game; I'm talking about Lifetime Movies. That's why I DON'T FUCKING WATCH THEM!
Have I played the game? Nope. Did I give money? Yep. Just because the same media that never said anything about Epstien or Cosby and the same people that voted for a President that was declared liable for battery and defamation (reminder that battery includes: rape, sexual abuse, forcible touching) and the same churches that hid and condoned years of child sexual abuse should not be the preponderant influence of ethics anymore.
Wow. That was a bit of a tirade huh? Welp, any who-sie whats-it. I'll talk to you guys later. Peace
Preach brother.
Quality TedTalk
I'm here because the ruling class doesn't want me to play this.
Lol. Amen brother.
same
download keeps failing half way through . Any ideas what’s up?
I came across this game because of a TikTok ranting about the"sick" content. First of all, I'm a grown ass woman and if your kid found a way to purchase and play this game, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM! Second of all, I'm pretty sure your father/brother/boyfriend/husband have watched some "interesting" porn (to put it that way) in ther lifetimes, and I'm sure they are still great people and didn't turn into predators or creeps. Right? This is a GAME, as in, it is NOT real. It's supposed to be entertaining and fun because it's fiction. Why are women such hypocrites? It's okay to be on booktok and read about rape and monsters almost breaking you in two with ther ginormous dicks, but this game for ADULTS is crossing the line? Okay.
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This is my account, and the comment above is my wife's. She's awesome and I love her. Fuck censorship, wokeness and cancel culture, we don't need that in video games.
After reading many comments ive learned that these are kinks and fantasies being played out. While this causes degeneracy in society overall.....Why is there not age group restrictions? Is there a way to ensure an adult can only access the game?
I think so. Have CHILDREN register as children so that the disney and saccharine peddlers can sell to an exclusive demographic, into which the intrusion of adults or adult content will be noticeable. That doesn't
happen because parents don't want to take the time to register their child... they'd
have every single other person in the world look after their children... and be treated like children..
Society is already degenerate, far worse than this, this is an outlet for those fantasies and it keeps people from doing things like this irl
This game allows those into multiple mainstream kinks (CNC, Pred/Prey, Deg, etc.) a way to explore them safely in a controlled environment and see if those are kinks we want to pursue with a partner. There are books that go way, WAY. farther or "worse" that are unbelievably popular such as Anne Rice's trilogy The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty (fantastic read btw). The banning and attack of this game is an absolute travesty as far as I'm concerned. How in a world where actually detrimental books like 50 Shades becomes best sellers and content like this gets banned is thankfully, beyond my reasoning. Good on ZeratGames for having the integrity to weather the backlash against this game and continue with it. Well done!
This game's real crime is being 10 GB holy shit.
Yeah, if they had tried to cancel it for lazy programming I might have been on board :P. We've all been there though.
not gonna lie your comment made me actually laugh out loud XD
Instantly bought this game when I heard about what was going on. I love supporting artists who aren't afraid to explore dark ideas and fantasies. Men need to stop apologizing for being men and having natural desires and fantasies. I hope that you don't let the cancel culture vultures stop you from continuing to make games. You're very talented and will always have a fanbase who will support you in whatever you choose to do. Great work man, hope you are being kind to yourself during all this bullshit.
So true!
Just created this account to buy this game. Books like this exist with detailed descriptions so why not just make a 3D game about it... same thing. Just the one is read by a specific gender, so it's ok....
The hypocrisy is staggering.
Shame it got deleted from steam this game had lot of potential
Literally don't own a platform to play this game. I read an article that refused to name the game or dev saying it had been banned off steam
On pure principle that the establishment wants this game gone, I don't. Just because people are trying to hit this game with cancel culture I've gone and paid for it. I'm voting with my wallet against censorship while simultaneously supporting a dev team.
I'm also providing links in the comments of any article refusing to name the game by name
For each negative comment in response to this one I will buy the game again
As a woman same, because there is other dark smut shit like boyfriend to death and yet the only shittalk there in that community is the accountability of the creator OUTSIDE the game.
I add extra $10 for the purchase! I support u bro. Those sensitive bastard who can't separate game from reality I would say those guys are the ones that society should be more concern in the real world. Porn or hentai like rape genre is exist since the dawn of internet existence. These fuckers never try to comprehend that it's not the game fault and always try to be a classic but pathetic SJW.
Wanted to let you know that I legit bought the game just because I heard about the awful situation you found yourself in. It's absolutely nuts how people will cry and flail over fictional content yet look the other way at real-world issues. Stay strong and don't let the haters win.
As a owner of the game on steam you shouldnt listen to the cancel crowd. Its just a work of fiction like many others. Removing the game from steam just because random complains from wokies/lefties who dont even care about the real state of their countries is a very bad precedent for gaming.
yea its all fiction until a child with unsupervised internet access thinks its okay to do all the things in this game and becomes an offender. like do you HEAR yourself. you're the type of person to say "Cookie Powers" is okay if its anime like you should actually Bungee jump without safety.
Well, why not just implement an ID verification code in which you can enable at your local DMV, a one time code that is inaccessible through other PC's? Easy solution, right?
Are we really going to force ID verification no one voted for as a society with this faux outrage of a shitty adult game?
If a kid or minor, access the game. Is the parents fault, the game is not free, neither allowed by Steam for minors.
You can also play Katawa Shoujo on steam or many VNs as a minor. This one just get targeted because the UK government nanny news
Great job showing us how illogical you are. With that thought process- we should be banning every sort of media,book,movies,series that includes dark themes because terrible parents are incapable of doing their job. The game is rated 18+ for a reason.
Parents should be supervising their kids. Idk how you see this as the game's fault
It’s not the developers responsibility to cater their content for kids whose parents don’t watch them. It’s a porn game obviously meant for adults so why is this not okay to be on steam but alllll of the other ones are perfectly fine?
So, according to you, "a child with unsupervised internet access" will play GTA5 and then go on a murder spree. Right?
Yet, for some reason, we don't have MILLIONS of 12 year old mass murderers.
Weird. It's almost as if it has been proven, repeatedly, that games do NOT cause people, even children, to do what happens in their games.
We do care about the condition and state of our countries and the rampant pornography industry we condemn it. It is going to be the downfall of society and games like this further the agenda.
I have two dozen hours in the game and have finished the love ending. I am continuing to follow the other storylines. I believe the subtleties in the story and psychology are lost on most, but not on all. It is a rarity to find those things.
I ask that you finish patch 1.1 Looking forward to it. Maybe more?
Haters gonna hate. Ignore them. Put it back up for sale and it will sell.
Agreed.
Resist Censorship and Authoritarianism.
It's for safety of kids. It was available to 12 and above. Why?
So are many many games on Steam? Many with sex. it's the nature of having so many games uploaded per day. Why was this game targeted.
I don't think people know about them and they would condemn those games as well. Trying to understand the psyche that is into this kind of stuff. Why would you want to assault women for fun?... I can't wrap my head around who wants to do this and why.
Stay Strong Zerat and never ever bend to woke mobs on social media. They are Karens, Betas and the same people who support puberty blockers and chemical castration on kids. Your making a adult game. You have support and you should not stop to appease some deranged mob. Don't fold. If we don't want it then we wont buy it its that simple. Compared to the Japanese this is tame. They don't like it because its a power fantasy that is for males, yet they applaud and cheer for power fantasy of females where men get abused and humiliated (Femdom) yet not a peep.
While I disagree with all the negative bullshit that got the game banned in 3 countries, I am disappointed I paid for it.
There are plenty of games that have all the same fetishes' as this one. Lots of them. I am a harem builder fan. So I generally like games that contain all the hardcore fetishes. But the premise behind this one just plain dumb. The reasoning behind the MC's sudden transformation into a douchebag doesn't make any sense at all. It's like it was written by a 16 year old. The story is just terrible. And the dialogue is elementary.
Good examples of AVNs containing the same elements, and were actually good are Desert Stalker, The Headmaster, Brightlord, or even 3001: A Sex Odyssey is better.
Don't recommend. 4/10.
Each to their own. I played it and it requires polish and fixes but I agree I am a fetish harem person myself. 7/10.
Jump.
Double Jump. LOL
I don't think that the cheating of the mother actually "transformed" the MC. He is a drugdealer and not the nice guy from next door. I think he always had this unhealthy desire for his stepmom/mom whatever and he uses her cheating as an excuse for himself to defend his actions. It is pretty clear that he is a bit crazy and if you read carefully you will see that often reflected in his inner monologue. There's one thing the game does really well: showing that what the MC thinks, the mother/stepmother actually is thinking/feeling and how they act is not always the same.
Don't listen to these self virtue morons. You haven't done anything wrong. You have made a adult game and woke authoritarians are trying to dictate what you can and can't do. You will never please these people. They are just unhappy people that need to fill a void and the rest clap like seals to be relevant.
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Missed.
It's a game. This stuff will exist either way, why do you care what a fictional game has if nobody is being hurt in real life? Do something productive instead of farting over some else and what they make with their skills.
Very true. The problem is they aren't productive or creative so they grow bitter and resentful and they hide it behind their woke shield of virtue to mask it.
By your very definition religion should be banned too , how many adults and children have been raped and murdered over the last 200 years? and yet you are ok with that.
macOS won't open the application file as it can't verify it?!
the irony that I was on the fence on buying this game until it was pulled from STEAM. The streisand effect in full effect. Fantasy is not reality. Don't police people's fetishes when they harm literally no-one.
Please, return the game to steam and other stores like GOG.
What you're doing in not illegal, therefore there's no need to fear anyone. These fucking Karens were screeching over the stupidest thing. Even Peach and Samus were too much for them. And now we can't have shit. Everything is boring and sterile. Their only goal is to see men miserable.
Your removal of the game will only fuel those harpies to attack even more developers. And even you will not be able to develop the games you want.
Please put the game back in stores and just ignore people on social media and ban them. I'm never into this type of games but I'll happily support you and even buy copies for my friends.
I know it could be rough on you mentally, but know that these harpies will not stop at this if you give up. They will try to ruin you life if you show the smallest sign of weakness. And know that your fellowman are here to support you.
Good luck.
But things like GTA are allowed to be sold for the masses and have a lot of children playing them. Nobody cares about that, so why this?
Just like rock encouraged rebellion and communism? Just like metal encouraged violence and satanism? Just like violent videogames encourage violent actions? Just like anime encourages reducing women to sex pets and pedofilia? Come on, what will be your excuse with those examples?
To be honest, as a European I'm tired of these American/Anglosphere moral panics. From bear to books, from violence to sensuality, from Metal music to Pokémon. And now this. I wished other European countries had more ball to create what they wanted without being so fucking cowards about it.
Even CDPR is now removing parts of the first Witcher game because Karen Americans think it's sexist.
Agreed.
Initially, I had no interest in this game when it first came out to that OTHER gaming platform. But after seeing the controversy before I went to work this morning and learning it was pulled from Steam after I got home, I just had to see if it was on itch. Glad I thought of it. I'm just buying it to give the middle finger to European pro censorship Karens and soy guzzling Redditors (like the ones whining on r/PCGaming) Streisand Effect is 100% real. Congrats, wokies.
literally the same! I'm from Australia, so censorship and finding ways to just buy direct are common practice for me now.
It's the norm for me, topher
The mere fact you mention something that doesn't exist tells me all i need to know, when you realise you have been lied to all your life then you may come to your senses and mind your damn business.
What if better you remove yourself? that would be better for everybody!
YES SPREAD THIS MESSAGE AROUND
You certainly lack any sense of logic or reason, or perhaps you're just insufferably ignorant. Can't you see how a work of fiction comes from a human mind, and not from reality? I don't think you understand this.
The human mind is capable of dreaming. Have you tried? Sometimes dreams look like nightmares. Good and bad dreams, potentially are both unforgettable and full of emotions. Do my nightmares make me a villain towards society? No.
What makes you a villain, an anti social, is to harm society. Do visual novel readers harm society? You seem to think so. Does your perception of Visual Novelist mindset follow a logical background? Your answer would be funded in ignorance of the human nature, I bet. What is the train of thoughts that brings the players to the streets to start raping women and be misogynistic? I bet you have no idea how people think.
The human thinks with reason because we are half animals, and the animal kingdom, as all others in nature, follow the laws of nature, and all the laws of nature follow reason; nothing is without purpose in nature, everything has its place, everything is logical and balanced.
So, tell me. How is this visual novel negatively impacting society? I expect a reply with no logic backing it.
Something I learned through the years is that what's truly dangerous to society is ignorance, poor education.
You know one big element of ignorance of the human nature in society? Censorship. People have a hard time exploring their nature because the arts exploring it get censored or shamed as immoral.
Morality is the excuse for censorship of the people in power to create fear and control over the ignorant cattle.
"Disgusting" he says, as he looks down to the immoral individuals. Your feeling of empowerment is an illusion. You're a tool.
They are too emotional and dumb to realize it so don't waste your time with them. They live in a different reality and maybe their own perversions.
And yet instead of crusading for your virtue and self congratulation and actually doing something in the real world your instead popping online to tell everyone how amazing and righteous you are by reporting a game that is adult, (But not other adult games like GTA 5, Desert Stalker, Hatred all which have slavery, mass murder , incest and domination sex) but no I must let everyone know how virtuous I am . LOL what a loser.
Hey could you try selling your game on GOG? I wanna test how unbiased they are. I'm serious. If they end up publishing it, then GOG should really get a medal or something for being so legit in their crusade to preserve games as the art medium we consider it. They are currently selling various games that Steam rejected or devs decided to pull out from there. Adults games too.
I hate censorship and the moralists that don't understand human nature nor reason. Sadly I can't support you because I don't like Daz3d VNs. If it was drawn I would totally support your work.
Gog would not sell this game. CDPR is part of the ESG marxist censorship cult.
I understand your point. I used to think their ESG policies would rule their standards for what games to host. I'm not 100% sure.
From GOG I read a VN called "Slippery Richar He's Taller than my Husband" (fake western name) which is all about blackmail extortion ntr sex and racist premises of black men as sex beasts in the eye of japanese people, and also racist notions from western people toward japanese people as sexually incompetent at a cultural and physiological level.
So I think maybe GOG has some hope of still be defending freedom of expression, but I must also note that this VN was published in GOG 3 years ago, and maybe things changed. Still, the game is being sold there to this day.
In any case I'm not sure of GOG stance which I why I wished for this dev to try selling it there. Maybe telling us how did it go after.
Long time GOGer here and unfortunately I will have to agree, GOG even refused to sell the uncensored version of "Nie No Hakoniwa - Dollhouse of offerings" even though it has been offered to them. They also refuse to host the announced uncensor patch for Tokyo Clanpool and many anime games on GOG are censored and require offsite patches.GOG simply does not have the backbone to accept this game.
Can you name an adult game that requires an offsite patch in GOG?
Among those I already mentioned: Huniepop, Kirakira Stars Idol Project (all three games are mosaic'd on GOG but not on Itch.io, Denpasoft, JAST USA, Fakku, MangaGamer or Nutaku), Seed of the Dead 2: Home, Paranoid. Some adult games on GOG are missing the unrated patch completely and in some cases the unrated patch will just give you the mosaic'd version. Take a look at the vndb you will probably find even more.
have this saved to play one day then saw it on steam early this week and then kotaku said it got removed from steam cause of the rp and violence like tons of games on steam dont have one or both all the avn's this is the first one ive seen happen
Kotaku is not a game journalist. Its filled with Woke activists and Sweet baby inc weirdos who are joyless and only know how to destroy and complain.
oh i know they arent it just thats who i found out it was taken off steam from randomly on my fb